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Should overselling be allowed?
| Posted by ferox, 01-13-2004, 05:05 AM |
| Should overselling resources be allowed for the hosting resellers? Which panels do this?
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| Posted by overulehost, 01-13-2004, 05:29 AM |
| overselling features is good, it tracks the current bandwidth and space with an estimating number of account possible to create.
i am using cpanel which is one of the best out there(user friendly)i usually gave this features to my reselling client.
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| Posted by KevinH, 01-13-2004, 06:32 AM |
| From my past experiences, overselling the server will gradually reduce the performance of the system.
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| Posted by cyberultra, 01-13-2004, 07:22 AM |
| Some of the resellers would like to have the choice to oversell because they can save some money before they upgrade to a larger plan.
However cPanel have a little bit restrictions on overselling (you can't sell used resources) so I think that is not too bad.
But I have a question, what is the best solution when resellers oversell and they need more bandwidth suddenly but you do not have more on the server to allocate to them given that you are not overselling?
I think overselling causes a lot of headache but it's good if you can manage it well.
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| Posted by Project X, 01-13-2004, 10:20 AM |
| overselling is good. not overselling space of course, but transfer. you can always buy more transfer if need be.
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| Posted by iHPNOW, 01-13-2004, 12:20 PM |
| I wouldn't want to oversell for the fear of one day someone actually using their resources and killing the server.
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| Posted by Project X, 01-13-2004, 12:25 PM |
| to me thats not the point of reselling
you have to know your clients and how they operate really
im not sure how someone could use all their resources and kill the server?
we are only talking bandwidth here and if they exceed that their site goes down
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| Posted by webmultitude, 01-13-2004, 01:27 PM |
| I agree, let your resellers oversell bandwidth. You can always tack on more.
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| Posted by DarktidesNET, 01-13-2004, 02:24 PM |
| Regardless of your thoughts, just remember that it's easy to add on more data transfer (and even upgrade from 10 to 100mbit if needed) but it's not so easy to get a bigger hard drive if you need it (requires downtime etc)
Though unlikely (if monitored), or done wisely, space would be a concern, but IMO space is the one thing that should never be oversold, regardless if the clients do not use anything for ages...... better safe than sorry.
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| Posted by Jake Weg, 01-13-2004, 02:31 PM |
| yea overselling space is asking for trouble
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| Posted by Esr Tek, 01-13-2004, 02:50 PM |
| Well said
Ps- nice to see your return to posting Darktides
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| Posted by DarktidesNET, 01-13-2004, 02:56 PM |
| Thank you, this is my favorite forum on WHT, but sadly, by time I can skim the posts people beat me to replying so I do not get to post too much in here.
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| Posted by Project X, 01-13-2004, 03:00 PM |
| i think esr tek and i are the only people here over 20
JK!
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| Posted by ferox, 01-14-2004, 01:09 AM |
| what I have got from the discussion is that overselling space cause problems while overselling bandwidth should be allowed as you can always buy more.
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| Posted by The3bl, 01-14-2004, 01:25 AM |
| Reasonable overselling of bandwidth is the key.
If you oversell greatly even though you can buy more the server is liable to die before it can carry the load.
All things in moderation.
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| Posted by Rob T, 01-14-2004, 07:08 AM |
| In my experience, the limiting factor for most servers is CPU usage. Your CPU load levels will be too high to get good performance well before your users use up all of their storage or bandwidth. Even on our dual xeon boxen that is normally the case. We keep close track to make sure we don't significantly oversell disk space at the server level(bandwidth is not an issue as stated above), but we keep an even closer eye on load levels. Once a server is getting ready to hit about half the load we expect to be able to sustain, we stop putting resellers on it. So far, that has worked out very well for us, and we have only had do move a few accounts around due to servers being too heavily loaded. We have had to add RAM to one or two of our servers, but other than those upgrades our strategy has worked out very well for us.
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